The next is a transcript of an interview with Oksana Markarova, Ukrainian ambassador to the U.S., that aired on “Face the Nation” on July 9, 2023.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Welcome again to Face The Nation. We flip now to the Ukrainian Ambassador to the U.S. Oksana Markarova. Nice to have you ever again with us.
UKRAINIAN AMBASSADOR OKSANA MARKAROVA: Good morning.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Your president and our president stated that Ukraine is operating out of ammunition. So how rapidly will this newest U.S. bundle arrive? And the way rapidly will it make a distinction?
AMB. MARKAROVA: Effectively, to begin with, let me say how grateful we’re to President Biden and to everybody for making this choice to offer us with this munition. I do know everyone seems to be discussing how tough that was, and generally even name it controversial. However there may be nothing controversial about it. We’re combating on our territory, a brutal enemy. There may be nothing worse than tortures, rapes and all the pieces that Russians do on the territory they occupy, and we have to liberate as fast as doable. So we’re actually grateful that in instances once we do want elevated numbers of munitions to assist our counter offensive, that you’ve got made the choice, and we actually hope we’ll see it in a short time on the battlefield.
MARGARET BRENNAN: So these cluster munitions drop bomblets. And generally, these bomblets do not explode immediately. And years later, they could be a hazard. I’ve met victims who’ve been blinded and maimed in locations the place the U.S. dropped these many years in the past. So when the White Home says that Ukraine has made assurances on the way it will use these, how do you do that and guarantee that civilians will not be damage?
AMB. MARKAROVA: Effectively, to begin with, let’s remind the place we begin with, Ukraine is essentially the most mined nation now, already. Russians mined in every single place, the unexploded ordinance is in every single place. So we’re doing quite a lot of the mining and U.S., by the best way, helps us so much within the mining already. Now, with regard to those munitions that we are going to be getting from the U.S. First, they provide a a lot increased high quality to begin with. And second, as accountable as we’re with all different American suppliers, or European provided munitions, we’re controlling it we- we now have a really accountable methods we use the NATO sort of look quick system to report each unit that we now have the place it’s, we’ll use the identical sort of method to this, we’ll know the place we use it, how we use it. And naturally, you recognize, each time we liberate our territories, this is- the miners are the primary those who go there, attempt to ensure that the world is protected. So we’ll do precisely the identical.
MARGARET BRENNAN: And I think about Russia makes use of these on civilian areas. I’ve to think about Ukraine has pledged not to try this and solely to make use of them on troopers.
AMB. MARKAROVA: Oh my god, they use this and phosphor and all the pieces else, particularly on civilian areas, and destroying civilian areas. And now we definitely- we won’t do it, we won’t use it in civilian populated areas.
MARGARET BRENNAN: That is a struggle crime facet that- that Russia has been criticized for on this. If you heard President Biden say Ukraine’s not prepared for NATO membership. What did you assume?
AMB. MARKAROVA: We’re preparing for NATO membership. We all know and we’re doing very tough reforms, whilst we combat for it. What we’re undoubtedly prepared for is for invitation. And I believe, you recognize, with regard to the NATO membership, in the event you take a look at any- any facet of it, Ukraine could be very prepared in numerous elements. And if there’s something that’s left there, we will absolutely do it in a while. However we’re discussing now in regards to the invitation. You realize, you recognize that in 2008, the open door coverage in the direction of Ukraine had been adopted. We wish not solely the door to be open, we wish to be invited to return in.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Effectively the White Home appeared to shut the door on that a part of the invitation no less than however finally enable for Ukraine to affix NATO. That was- that gave the impression to be the sign the White Home was sending on Friday.
AMB. MARKAROVA: Effectively, the discussions are nonetheless ongoing. And the dialogue — and, in fact, it is the dialogue that requires 31 nations to agree. And, once more, as with — like with the European Union membership, there’s a path in the direction of the European Union. We’re a candidate nation, and we’re working in the direction of our full membership. Related method we take with NATO. We wish to be in NATO. Nearly all of Ukrainians assist Ukraine in NATO. That is in our Structure. And we now have achieved nearly all of reforms already to be NATO-eligible. We’re able to proceed on that path. And we want to see that our associates in NATO are along with us on this path.
MARGARET BRENNAN: This week, the biggest nuclear plant in Europe as soon as once more was very a lot in give attention to the entrance line of this battle. Your president says Ukraine has in intelligence exhibiting that Russia will attempt to blow it up, that it has mined the world. The U.N. watchdog says they’ve solely been in a position to search elements of the world. To this point, it appears to be like OK, however there are two key reactors they need entry to. What’s the stage of danger proper now?
AMB. MARKAROVA: The extent of danger there may be persistently excessive since March 4, 2022, since Russians illegally occupied Ukrainian nuclear station. So, we simply must be very clear from the beginning each time we focus on the Zaporizhzhia nuclear plant, the biggest nuclear plant in — in Europe, that the one supply of danger there may be Russia. You add to that Russia’s completely irresponsible withdrawal or suspension of the New START Treaty, their choice to deploy the tactical nuclear weapons in Belarus, and it is clear that we’re coping with a nuclear terrorist. Now, take a look at Chernobyl station, which additionally they grabbed since they invaded us in February ’22. As quickly as Russians are out of there, there isn’t any danger. Related right here. All of us must work collectively to get them out, as a result of, once more, let me remind you in regards to the Kakhovka dam destruction, which Russians did, realizing how devastating will probably be. So, the intent — and there’s no pink strains for them there. We simply have to remain targeted and get them out from the station. As quickly because it’s in Ukrainian palms absolutely once more, there can be no dangers.
MARGARET BRENNAN: Does Ukraine assist what the U.N. is looking for, which is form of a protected zone round it, in order that Ukraine is not shelling within the space and neither is Russia?
AMB. MARKAROVA: Look, all Ukraine needs to be demilitarized from Russian army. So we now have to get them out from in every single place in Ukraine, to not enable them create some protected zones for them inside Ukraine. We’re very accountable, as you could have seen, throughout all this era, in the direction of the nuclear — Zaporizhzhia nuclear station. However the one reply to that downside isn’t any Russians there. It is Ukrainian territory. It is Ukrainian station. And there shouldn’t be occupiers, brutal occupiers, there.
MARGARET BRENNAN: We can be watching what occurs this week at NATO. And so good to have you ever again with us, Ambassador. We can be proper again.
AMBASSADOR MARKAROVA: Thanks.